Professor David Kirp and City Club CEO Dan Moulthrop discuss the findings in Professor Kirp'slatest book, Improbable Scholars: The Rebirth of a Great American School System and a Strategy for America's Schools. Professor Kirp talks about the fact that true change for school systems must start at the base level, building trust between those affecting change and the community. He also says that while technology has its place in modern education, true change happens in people and behavior.